lml 177 or px200

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lml 177 or px200

Postby rob h » Tue Oct 11, 2016 10:05 pm

Just putting it up for discussion, now riding my first lml with a 177 conversion 21t gearing. A couple of years ago, before a brief Lambretta ownership, I had a vespa 200 it was standard then kitted. I feel the pinasco 177 lml in mild tune form is as good as my standard 200. Gearing is different but it does not have that lack of power between p200 3rd and 4th. I did the T5 gear conversion on px 200, which makes it the same top gear as the lml.
My lml has a similar cruising speed, but better acceleration. I think the 200 was lower revving and had the grunt in most gears. I feel with the Iml I have a good compromise of acceleration and torque.
6 years ago i was two up rallying laden with bags, with front and back racks I think the 200 was the ultimate. But I now do day runs up to 90 miles unladen, the lml is responsive and overtakes with ease I am happy with its performance and predictability.
Thoughts anyone?
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Re: lml 177 or px200

Postby madmog » Wed Oct 12, 2016 3:16 pm

I think the P200 would be more of a load lugger, Ie two up the LML177 would be much more affected than the P200.

But, a 210 malossi and expansion pipe on the 200 would be different again. I preferred the standardish 200 to the Malossi kitted with expansion pipe as I use my scooters more around town and the standard swetup was quicker off the lights. Plus more economical if that is a consideration
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Re: lml 177 or px200

Postby Laurie » Fri Oct 21, 2016 7:54 pm

A well set up PX200 with an SIP Road 2 exhaust is a superb work horse. It pulls, pushes and will just go beyond.

Kits? errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr let me see. :twisted:
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Re: lml 177 or px200

Postby rob h » Sat Oct 22, 2016 2:41 pm

My malossi 210 ran without fault for 3 years, i covered around 4000 miles on it. Lots of motorway ways never below 60 mph well laden and two up. A well set up kit is reliable, but high revving performance kits need a proper total rebuild to be reliable. High quality cranks, bearings,decent sized carburettor.
i have had malossi 166 max tuned that never let me down. When I rebuild blown engines it is normally kits dropped on old engines, lack of oil (not premix), poor quality components(indian), wrong timing, wrong exhausts for a particular kit causing excess heat. That's why I try not to max tune anymore, for that extra 10 mph you need to spend a lot on high quality parts to match it.
Also look at tuned Lambrettas, modern petrol has additives to clean the valves, it also affects the adhesion of two stroke to the cylinder. I never used expensive two stroke in a mild tuned vespa engine, and I remember mates using veg oil in an emergency. My lambretta needed top quality everything including oil, touring tank, and other riding methods to prevent a heat seize. Never seized a vespa, 125,166, t5, 200,210, 225 alloy and iron, had them all!!
I have cht gauge, do mild tunes, torque exhausts and trying to max revs around 8000 rpm, with right gearing no heat problems, 12 to 14 hp 177, 16hp 200cc and the 60 to 70 mph easily achievable. fully tuned malossi kits pushing 10,000 revs are difficult to keep cool, but it can be done. I find modern fuel a real problem. I also find someone trying to ride a scooter like a suzuki bandit when its tuned a recipe for disaster.
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Re: lml 177 or px200

Postby Sadvictim » Mon Oct 24, 2016 11:24 pm

Still running in my 177 lml sip 2 pipe and tinkered carb and air filter i havn' tried top end yet but it is a bit rich at the mo due to running in but is very torquey and smoother and accelerates in all gears. Statrter motor is bolloxed hopefully replaced under warranty and crap seat lock. i'm loving it. :mrgreen:
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Re: lml 177 or px200

Postby rob h » Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:17 pm

Yes totally agree with you, running a pinasco 22mm carb which is very quick on the throttle action. The new version is worlds apart from the old pinasco 177, the porting on the cylinder is not far off the polini and the quality of the chambers/transfers is top notch. I am on the weighty side( cough, cough), and the hill climbing is effortless. I can sit at a true 60 mph in a headwind, i still say in top it is like a standard 200 with slightly higher engine tone. Acceleration is quick, i have been alongside a 200 recently over distance, i could easily out accelerate it, especially on bends. top end I had the slight advantage as well, not outright but on a long stretch.
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